Just finished migrating Decker's Heaven from Manjaro Linux (Arch Linux fork), to CentOS 7 with seemingly awesome results.

FTN works, all that's left to test is QWKnet. :)

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Thu Jul 16 2015 07:26 am

Just finished migrating Decker's Heaven from Manjaro Linux (Arch
Linux fork), to CentOS 7 with seemingly awesome results.

FTN works, all that's left to test is QWKnet. :)

I see your message here. :)

By the way, what FTN mailer are you using in Linux?

BinkD 1.0.x. If you're running Ubuntu (maybe Debian), I think there's already a package for it in the standard repos. Arch, it's in AUR, any other distro, you have to build yourself which is what I did for CentOS 7, made a full Source RPM and compiled that into an RPM binary package, if'n you need. :)

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Thu Jul 16 2015 08:48 pm

By the way, what FTN mailer are you using in Linux?

BinkD 1.0.x. If you're running Ubuntu (maybe Debian), I think
there's already a package for it in the standard repos. Arch, it's
in AUR, any other distro, you have to build yourself which is what I
did for CentOS 7, made a full Source RPM and compiled that into an
RPM binary package, if'n you need. :)

Interesting, for some reason I thought BinkD was fairly old and wasn't being maintained anymore. Currently on my BBS machine I have Mint Linux installed, which is based on Debian - so it sounds like there may already be a package for BinkD.

Nope. BinkD is constantly being maintained, in the 1.1.x series which is the "unstable" branch, however supposedly pretty dang stable.

The BinkD FidoNet echo is somewhat active at times too. I see lots of posts there, code announcements much like cvs pushes going through, but looks more specific than that.

But yeah, IF I remember correctly, binkd is in the ubuntu package repositories, the standard ones. I could be wrong and it be in a PPA, though.

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 17 2015 07:40 am

Re: Confirming Link
By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Fri Jul 17 2015 00:45:20

Interesting, for some reason I thought BinkD was fairly old and
wasn't being maintained anymore. Currently on my BBS machine I have
Mint Linux installed, which is based on Debian - so it sounds like
there may already be a package for BinkD.

Nope. BinkD is constantly being maintained, in the 1.1.x series
which is the "unstable" branch, however supposedly pretty dang
stable.

That's cool. If I move my Synchronet setup over to Linux, I suppose I'll have to remember to check out BinkD.

Yep. It's what I currently use. I'm honestly looking forward to see what D'Bridge 4 will be like though. D'Bridge is coming to Linux in 4 it seems. Being labeled as "The Argus Killer" heh heh

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Re: Re: Confirming Link
By: Mindless Automaton to Nightfox on Fri Jul 17 2015 01:10 pm

By the way, what FTN mailer are you using in Linux?

BinkD 1.0.x. If you're running Ubuntu (maybe Debian), I think
there's already a package for it in the standard repos. Arch, it's
in AUR, any other distro, you have to build yourself which is what
I did for CentOS 7, made a full Source RPM and compiled that into
an RPM binary package, if'n you need. :)

I run Mint and install BinkD from the package. Seems to work well if I dont screw up the config. :)

Heh.. Yeah, Linux Mint just uses Ubuntu repositories plus their own repositories overlapping some of Ubuntu's to include their customizations, and their.... Other software.. *cough*Cinnamon*cough*. ;)

However, binkd is part of the ubuntu repos I'm pretty sure.

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 17 2015 01:49 pm

Heh.. Yeah, Linux Mint just uses Ubuntu repositories plus their own
repositories overlapping some of Ubuntu's to include their
customizations, and their.... Other software.. *cough*Cinnamon*cough*.
;)

I actually like Cinnamon. It feels like a clean and simple UI and more of what I expect (or perhaps more of what I'm used to). I don't like the Unity UI that Ubuntu currently uses by default. I've found that Cinnamon can easily be installed in Ubuntu though - I have a Ubuntu system I've used at work that I've installed Cinnamon on, and I was happily surprised to see that Cinnamon was available on distros other than Mint.

To me, Cinnamon is bastardized Gnome 3. They took the good parts of Gnome 3 and ripped them out and broke it. Specifically things like per-display virtual dynamic desktops. In Cinnamon, it's now all one long screen, instead of per screen.

They improved in other areas, I will give them that, but in the process, they broke what was actually the best feature of Gnome 3. :)

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 17 2015 10:54 pm

To me, Cinnamon is bastardized Gnome 3. They took the good parts of
Gnome 3 and ripped them out and broke it. Specifically things like
per-display virtual dynamic desktops. In Cinnamon, it's now all one
long screen, instead of per screen.

They improved in other areas, I will give them that, but in the
process, they broke what was actually the best feature of Gnome 3.
:)

I've heard that Cinnamon started as a fork of Gnome 2, so that sort of makes sense. So I don't think it's that they "broke" Gnome 3, but rather providing something that some people want. With Gnome 3, I feel like they completely re-did the interface and made it worse. It reminds me somewhat of what Microsoft did with Windows 8 and its new interface - It seems like with Gnome 3, they wanted to make some kind of tablet-esque interface, which isn't what I want on a desktop.

Well, fork of Gnome 3, not 2. MATE is a fork of Gnome 2, basically Gnome 2 on life support as I've labeled it. hehe

I dunno. I used to utterly hate Gnome 3 when it first came out. Course, mind you, I hated Gnome in general, never liked Gnome 1 nor 2. I've been a KDE person a long time for a reason (and still am).

Now, I had a person from Gnome's PR team, after my constant expression of hatred of it, come to me and told me idealisms behind why they did their design like they did. I forget exactly what they all were, but they made.... sense... All of it. He said, try it again for 2 weeks with that mentality in play, and come back and tell me what you think... Sure enough... I loved it after that 2 weeks, and I actually TRY to make my KDE mimic some of those idealogies even today, even though KDE can't quite do it all.

Gnome 3, one thing is sure. If you're using it for professionalism, as in, for a work environment, it for one will let you maintain focus isolation, instead of spreading focus out onto many different things. It definitely, by design, if you use it right, can do that one very specific thing well.

At the same time, it can be a hindrance for similar reasons. But that's a different issue in itself.

Gnome 3 is certainly better than Unity ever will be, but for me, KDE always wins. Cinnamon has burned me more than Gnome 3 ever has.

We'll see what the future has in store next though. :)

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Fri Jul 17 2015 11:11 pm

I've heard that Cinnamon started as a fork of Gnome 2, so that sort
of makes sense. So I don't think it's that they "broke" Gnome 3, but
rather

I guess I had heard or remembered incorrectly. I was just doing some researching and read that Cinnamon is actually a fork of Gnome 3, not Gnome 2.

Self-correction noted, and commented on previous message prior. :)

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Sat Jul 18 2015 11:00 pm

I dunno. I used to utterly hate Gnome 3 when it first came out.
Course, mind you, I hated Gnome in general, never liked Gnome 1 nor
2. I've been a KDE person a long time for a reason (and still am).

A long time ago (around 2000-ish), I remember reading that one of the goals of KDE was to sort of mimic Windows, to make it easier for Windows users to migrate to Linux. Since I was curious to look into alternatives to Windows, I didn't really like the idea of using something that was supposed to be similar to Windows. Thus, I have avoided using KDE. I don't know if KDE abandoned that original goal of being similar to Windows, but from the occasional times I've used KDE and KDE-based apps, it seems like KDE is decent.

Hmmm. KDE never wanted specifically to mimic Windows. Some of their concepts came from Windows, to some degree definitely, but they've always maintained a completely different take on things. Like modularity, the "UNIX" way of things, not hiding configuration behind obfuscation. Things both Windows and Gnome actually do. heh

KDE Plasma 5 definitely is already pretty good, though has its little quirks here and there. At least on my current desktop, which is soon being replaced back to Fedora from Manjaro. Desktop is always the last to change, but change is coming. :)

Now, I had a person from Gnome's PR team, after my constant
expression of hatred of it, come to me and told me idealisms behind
why they did their design like they did. I forget exactly what they
all were, but they made.... sense... All of it. He said, try it
again for 2 weeks with that mentality in play, and come back and
tell me what you think... Sure enough... I loved it after that 2
weeks, and I actually TRY to make my KDE mimic some of those
idealogies even today, even though KDE can't quite do it all.

Maybe I'll try Gnome 3 again some time. Perhaps I'm just used to a more traditional desktop.

Yeah, that was my problem too, having the traditional desktop.

Gnome 3 is certainly better than Unity ever will be, but for me, KDE
always wins. Cinnamon has burned me more than Gnome 3 ever has.

I think I've sometimes confused with Gnome 3 and Unity - For a while I thought they were the same thing. I've used Unity in Ubuntu, and I'm not really keen on it.

Heh, yeah... Unity, just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Sun Jul 19 2015 01:12:12

I think there might be some wires crossed in a configuration somewhere - Some of your "Confirming Link" replies have migrated to the Pro-Audio board on Dove-Net.

Nightfox

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Sun Jul 19 2015 11:52 am

I think there might be some wires crossed in a configuration somewhere - Some of your "Confirming Link" replies have migrated to the Pro-Audio board on Dove-Net.

Hmmm. Thanks. For for the email as well. I'll check things out.

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Sun Jul 19 2015 03:37 pm

Re: Confirming Link
By: Nightfox to Psi-Jack on Sun Jul 19 2015 11:52 am

I think there might be some wires crossed in a configuration
somewhere - Some of your "Confirming Link" replies have migrated to
the Pro-Audio board on Dove-Net.

Hmmm. Thanks. For for the email as well. I'll check things out.

Yeaaaahh.. It was... Me.. Sadly. Sorry everyone. :)

I hooked in my TEST VM, a clone of my BBS for testing/development, and hooked up QWKNet to hub off my primary BBS, and didn't wipe out the message areas. Somehow it went bat crazy and cross posted a lot of stuff. Still don't know exactly why, though.

I'll be writing a jsexec script to analyze and see if I have any duplicate QWK names, among other values of unique specific importance to verify what happend.

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Re: Confirming Link
By: Psi-Jack to Nightfox on Mon Jul 20 2015 11:42 am

I hooked in my TEST VM, a clone of my BBS for testing/development, and hooked up QWKNet to hub off my primary BBS, and didn't wipe out the message areas. Somehow it went bat crazy and cross posted a lot of stuff. Still don't know exactly why, though.

you should disable any outgoing msgs when you experiment like that.
it could have been a lot worse.
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