• Drumdial

    From Belly@BRAZINET to All on Saturday, December 18, 2004 19:25:00
    I'm not sure of this belongs under Pro Audio, Entertainment, or Hobby... but

    I got a DrumDial for Christmas... OMG it is cool!

    I experimented with it on my floor tom for a while, and then retuned my whole set in 15-20 minutes last night... top and bottom. No more 'tap and turn' crap.



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  • From Mbr@RETROPC to Belly on Sunday, December 19, 2004 09:13:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Belly to All on Sat Dec 18 2004 07:25 pm

    I experimented with it on my floor tom for a while, and then retuned my whol set in 15-20 minutes last night... top and bottom. No more 'tap and turn' cr

    so what exactly is a drumdial ?

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  • From Digital Man to Belly on Sunday, December 19, 2004 13:41:03
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Belly to All on Sat Dec 18 2004 07:25 pm

    I'm not sure of this belongs under Pro Audio, Entertainment, or Hobby... but

    I got a DrumDial for Christmas... OMG it is cool!

    I experimented with it on my floor tom for a while, and then retuned my whol set in 15-20 minutes last night... top and bottom. No more 'tap and turn' cr

    Yeah, I got one of those a few years ago (Tama branded version). Works pretty good, usually. I most often tune by ear/feel, but in cases where the drum
    head just isn't seating/tuning up right, then I break out the drum dial and start over. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man to Mbr on Sunday, December 19, 2004 13:42:15
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Mbr to Belly on Sun Dec 19 2004 09:13 am

    I experimented with it on my floor tom for a while, and then retuned my w set in 15-20 minutes last night... top and bottom. No more 'tap and turn'

    so what exactly is a drumdial ?

    It's a hand-held tension-sensing gauge used to help in the tuning of drums (by placing against the drum head, at specific points and comparing the readings).

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  • From Mbr@RETROPC to Digital Man on Sunday, December 19, 2004 21:11:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Mbr on Sun Dec 19 2004 01:42 pm

    so what exactly is a drumdial ?
    It's a hand-held tension-sensing gauge used to help in the tuning of drums ( placing against the drum head, at specific points and comparing the readings

    digital man

    and now i'm educated =)

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  • From Belly@BRAZINET to Mbr on Sunday, December 19, 2004 23:02:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Mbr to Belly on Sun Dec 19 2004 09:13 am

    so what exactly is a drumdial ?

    It's a device used to measure drumhead tension, to make it easier to tune drums uniformly all the way around. http://www.drumdial.com/


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  • From Belly@BRAZINET to Digital Man on Sunday, December 19, 2004 23:05:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Belly on Sun Dec 19 2004 01:41 pm

    Yeah, I got one of those a few years ago (Tama branded version). Works prett good, usually. I most often tune by ear/feel, but in cases where the drum head just isn't seating/tuning up right, then I break out the drum dial and start over. :-)

    I've never been good at tuning... My set used to take me hours to tune. I love this thing.

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  • From Digital Man to Belly on Monday, December 20, 2004 14:00:36
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Belly to Digital Man on Sun Dec 19 2004 11:05 pm

    Yeah, I got one of those a few years ago (Tama branded version). Works pr good, usually. I most often tune by ear/feel, but in cases where the drum head just isn't seating/tuning up right, then I break out the drum dial a start over. :-)

    I've never been good at tuning... My set used to take me hours to tune. I lo this thing.

    Before a big gig or recoding sessions, I always tune my drums one at time sitting at the piano (or have the bass player play along). It definitely takes longer that way, but the resulting sound of the kit is worth it.

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  • From Crash Override@KIOSK to Digital Man on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 00:59:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Belly on Sun Dec 19 2004 01:41 pm

    Yeah, I got one of those a few years ago (Tama branded version). Works prett good, usually. I most often tune by ear/feel, but in cases where the drum head just isn't seating/tuning up right, then I break out the drum dial and start over. :-)

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  • From Crash Override@KIOSK to Digital Man on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 01:03:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Belly on Mon Dec 20 2004 02:00 pm

    sitting at the piano (or have the bass player play along)

    Which can be a little like pulling teeth =P


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  • From Digital Man to Crash Override on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 14:37:56
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Crash Override to Digital Man on Tue Dec 21 2004 01:03 am

    sitting at the piano (or have the bass player play along)

    Which can be a little like pulling teeth =P

    If it's a quick tune-up before a show or recording session, the bass player is more than happy to help (usually). But to really do it right, I need the drum unmounted, in my lap or on the floor (so I can easily tap/tune both heads), and a pure sustained synth/organ sound works best to tune against (my digital piano handles this task great).

    The result is a set of drums that harmonize together, even when the toms aren't being played (the sympathetic reverberations harmonize with the other drums) and the set is much louder, fuller, and "bitchen". :-)

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  • From Crash Override@KIOSK to Digital Man on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 17:54:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Crash Override on Tue Dec 21 2004 02:37 pm

    sitting at the piano (or have the bass player play along)

    Which can be a little like pulling teeth =P

    If it's a quick tune-up before a show or recording session, the bass player more than happy to help (usually). But to really do it right, I need the dru unmounted, in my lap or on the floor (so I can easily tap/tune both heads), a pure sustained synth/organ sound works best to tune against (my digital pi handles this task great).

    I've never met a bass player that wasn't more than happy to "noodle on demand" =)

    The result is a set of drums that harmonize together, even when the toms aren' >being played (the sympathetic reverberations harmonize with the other drums) >and the set is much louder, fuller, and "bitchen". :-)

    LOL! Bitchen man! Nicely tuned drums are indeed "bitchen" =)

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  • From Belly@BRAZINET to Digital Man on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 19:50:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Crash Override on Tue Dec 21 2004 02:37 pm

    The result is a set of drums that harmonize together, even when the toms are being played (the sympathetic reverberations harmonize with the other drums)

    Never thought of that aspect. What notes do use most to tune them to?

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  • From Digital Man to Belly on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 20:41:35
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Belly to Digital Man on Wed Dec 22 2004 07:50 pm

    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Crash Override on Tue Dec 21 2004 02:37 pm

    The result is a set of drums that harmonize together, even when the toms being played (the sympathetic reverberations harmonize with the other dru

    Never thought of that aspect. What notes do use most to tune them to?

    D major scale, from high tom to low:

    D, B, G, [D], B

    (I skip the low D when I play a single floor tom configuration)

    I tune my snare to G as well (but an octave up from the tom obviously).

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  • From PistolGrip@WASTELND to Digital Man on Thursday, December 23, 2004 15:16:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Belly on Wed Dec 22 2004 08:41 pm

    The result is a set of drums that harmonize together, even when the to being played (the sympathetic reverberations harmonize with the other

    Never thought of that aspect. What notes do use most to tune them to?

    D major scale, from high tom to low:

    D, B, G, [D], B

    (I skip the low D when I play a single floor tom configuration)

    I tune my snare to G as well (but an octave up from the tom obviously).


    Ahhh... if only every drummer I've ever had to record would realize this. Most of them can't tune a single drum, let alone tune a kit to a scale :)

    My secret weapon in the studio was the aformentioned Drum Dial. The looks I got from drummers when I started tuning their kits was amusing. Some even said they tuned them by ear perfectly and wouldn't let me tune them.

    After a few years of this I made a little mix tape of a Master Custom set 'ear-tuned' and then tuned to scale back to back and EVERY single one of the drummers who heard let me tune their drums :)

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  • From Belly@BRAZINET to Digital Man on Thursday, December 23, 2004 21:48:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to Belly on Wed Dec 22 2004 08:41 pm

    D major scale, from high tom to low:

    D, B, G, [D], B

    (I skip the low D when I play a single floor tom configuration)

    I tune my snare to G as well (but an octave up from the tom obviously).

    Do you tune the resonant heads the same as the top? I generally tune mine a bit lower.

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  • From Belly@BRAZINET to PistolGrip on Thursday, December 23, 2004 21:49:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: PistolGrip to Digital Man on Thu Dec 23 2004 03:16 pm

    Ahhh... if only every drummer I've ever had to record would realize this. M of them can't tune a single drum, let alone tune a kit to a scale :)

    Reading this reminded me of something... Has anyone here read 'Mixerman's Diaries?'


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  • From Digital Man to PistolGrip on Thursday, December 23, 2004 22:05:10
    Re: Drumdial
    By: PistolGrip to Digital Man on Thu Dec 23 2004 03:16 pm

    The result is a set of drums that harmonize together, even when the being played (the sympathetic reverberations harmonize with the oth

    Never thought of that aspect. What notes do use most to tune them to?

    D major scale, from high tom to low:

    D, B, G, [D], B

    (I skip the low D when I play a single floor tom configuration)

    I tune my snare to G as well (but an octave up from the tom obviously).


    Ahhh... if only every drummer I've ever had to record would realize this. M of them can't tune a single drum, let alone tune a kit to a scale :)

    It's certainly more work. I originally started tuning to specific pitches because I wanted to have consistent tom tuning between tracks recording several days (or even weeks) apart.

    I immediately noticed how the *whole* kit came alive once the drums were all
    in tune with eachother and an out-of-tune kit now sounds very "flat" to me and bugs me to hell.

    My secret weapon in the studio was the aformentioned Drum Dial. The looks I got from drummers when I started tuning their kits was amusing. Some even s they tuned them by ear perfectly and wouldn't let me tune them.

    After a few years of this I made a little mix tape of a Master Custom set 'ear-tuned' and then tuned to scale back to back and EVERY single one of the drummers who heard let me tune their drums :)

    I'd like a copy of that tape (or a .mp3 version or whatever). Still have it?

    If I had perfect pitch, I might tune by ear, but alas, I do not. :-)

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  • From Digital Man to Belly on Thursday, December 23, 2004 22:06:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Belly to Digital Man on Thu Dec 23 2004 09:48 pm

    D major scale, from high tom to low:

    D, B, G, [D], B

    (I skip the low D when I play a single floor tom configuration)

    I tune my snare to G as well (but an octave up from the tom obviously).

    Do you tune the resonant heads the same as the top? I generally tune mine a lower.

    I found the best sustain was achieved by tuning both heads to the same pitch (Neil Peart agrees with me, too). :-)

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  • From PistolGrip@WASTELND to Digital Man on Friday, December 24, 2004 16:53:00
    Re: Drumdial
    By: Digital Man to PistolGrip on Thu Dec 23 2004 10:05 pm

    Ahhh... if only every drummer I've ever had to record would realize this. of them can't tune a single drum, let alone tune a kit to a scale :)

    It's certainly more work. I originally started tuning to specific pitches because I wanted to have consistent tom tuning between tracks recording seve days (or even weeks) apart.

    I immediately noticed how the *whole* kit came alive once the drums were all in tune with eachother and an out-of-tune kit now sounds very "flat" to me a bugs me to hell.

    Me too.. what bugs me the most is when it an awesome kit that doesn't sound to it's full potential because a drummer can't tune them properly :)

    I've even went so far as to tune the kit differently based upon the key of the song and such :) One project we spent about 26 hours of $120/Hr studio time just tuning drums for all the different songs/days we were recording.

    My secret weapon in the studio was the aformentioned Drum Dial. The look got from drummers when I started tuning their kits was amusing. Some eve they tuned them by ear perfectly and wouldn't let me tune them.

    After a few years of this I made a little mix tape of a Master Custom set 'ear-tuned' and then tuned to scale back to back and EVERY single one of drummers who heard let me tune their drums :)

    I'd like a copy of that tape (or a .mp3 version or whatever). Still have it?

    If I had perfect pitch, I might tune by ear, but alas, I do not. :-)

    I will try to dig it up, I should have it on DAT somewhere. I'll burn you a CD, just remind me if I forget :)

    One of the coolest things I like about the drum dial was once you've tuned to pitch you can take note of tension settings and you can get pretty dam close to the proper pitches just by tuning to those tensions. Of course, you have to take in to account the shells and skins being tuned, but for more time limited projects I could usually just tune them to my favorites tension settings and get a marked improvement in drum tones for the project. Though they probably could be better still :)

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